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jakec
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Post subject: Traveller organisations Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:36 am |
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Like I suspect more than a few other TW players, I am also a Traveller player. A marriage made in heaven I think! Anyway, I thought this thread might be a good place for us to post our ideas for modding TW for Traveller and orgs for canon Traveller units. Here is my interpretation of a Vargr corsair band (sources: The Traveller Adventure p79, JTAS No.21 p9):
Kforuzeng Vargr Corsair Band
Basic Force Attributes
Initiative Level: D8
Confidence Level: High Confidence
Supply Level: Normal
Body Armour: 2D (TL2)
Troop Quality/Morale: D8/D8
Overall TL: 2
Attributes: Animosity, Natural Melee Weapons, Poor Initiative (always check to see Who Got Shot).
Vargr Corsair Squad (normally mounted in grav sled or G-carrier)
Fire Team Alpha
1 x Squad Leader w/Laser Carbine
1 x Grenadier w/GL (Lt.AP:1/AT:0) TL2
1 x Gunner with Hvy Laser Rifle (Lt.AP:1/AT:1(L)) TL2
2 x Riflemen w/Laser Carbine
Fire Team Bravo
1 x Fireteam Leader w/Laser Carbine
1 x Plasma Gunner w/PGMP14 (Med.AP:2/AT:2(M)) TL2 EWS
2 x Rifleman w/Laser Carbine
Vargr Corsair Platoon
1 x Platoon Leader w/Laser Pistol
1 x Sniper w/Laser sniper rifle
1 x Forward Observer w/Laser Carbine
1 x Medic w/Laser Carbine
Usually carried in several Buccaneer Grav Platforms.
Up to 5 x Corsair Squads
Vargr Ghoerruegh G-carrier TL: 2 Class: L Type: G2 Main Gun: Beam Laser (TL2 AP:4/AT:2(L)) MGs: 3D Front Armour: (TL2) 3D8 Side Armour: (TL2) 2D8 Rear Armour: (TL2) 2D6 Deck Armour: (TL2) 1D6 Crew: 1+12 Attributes/Notes: TL2 Armour and advanced sensors; Countermeasures; TL2 Stealth.
Vargr Buccaneer Grav Platform TL:2 Class: S Type: G2 Main Gun: HMG (TL2 Hvy.AP:4/AT:1(L)) MGs: - Front Armour: (TL2) 1D6 Side Armour: (TL2) 1D6 Rear Armour: (TL2) 1D6 Deck Armour: Nil Crew: 1+1 Attributes/Notes: TL2 Armour and sensors; Open-topped.
Vargr Oeghaeghz Rruerrgh (Luck's Paw) Air/Raft TL:2 Class: S Type:G2 Main Gun: - (may have pintle MG fitted 3D) MGs: - Front Armour: 1D6 Side Armour: 1D6 Rear Armour: 1D6 Deck Armour: Nil Crew: 1+6 Attributes/Notes: TL2 Armour & advanced sensors; Open-topped.
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Post subject: Re: Traveller organisations Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:08 am |
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Vilani Gisadia Ziru Sirka (Army of the Grand Empire of the Stars) Sources: MegaT Vilani & Vargr; GURPS Trav Interstellar Wars.
Basic Force Attributes
Initiative Level: D6-D8
Confidence Level: Confident
Supply Level: Abundant
Body Armour: 2D (TL2)
Troop Quality/Morale: D6-D8/D10
Overall TL: 2 On Grid: Normally Yes.
Attributes: Despised (by Terran civilians); Poor Initiative; Vilani units seldom take prisoners and may use Caveman casevac.
Vilani Binom
1xRifleman 1x Grenadier w/Rifle+UGL (Lt.AP:1/AT:0 TL2)
Vilani Squad
4xBinom as above. Squad Leader w/rifle Asst Squad Leader w/Spt Wpn (Med.ABW AP:2/AT:0 TL2)
Vilani Platoon
1 x Platoon Leader w/Pistol 1 x Asst Platoon Leader w/rifle 1 x Fwd Obs 1 x Medic Missile Team: 1 x Gunner w/AT missile (Hvy.AP:4/AT:4 (H) TL2 so Negates ERA, Performs deck attack) 1 x Loader w/rifle
1 x 'Elite' Squad (D8 TQ) organised as a squad above but only 2 binoms)
Up to 4 x Vilani Squads
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Post subject: Re: Traveller organisations Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:48 pm |
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Zhodani Lift Infantry Sources: JTAS No.11 p.29-31, TNE/Striker-II.
Basic Force Attributes
Initiative Level: D8 (D10 if Consular Guard)
Confidence Level: Confident
Supply Level: Normal
Body Armour: 2D (TL3) (TL3 Power Armour 3D if in Grav Tank, Mech Inf and Lift Cav Regt)
Troop Quality/Morale: D8-D10/D10
Overall TL: 3 On Grid: Normally, Yes.
Attributes: Officers are Psionic (treat as like Old School if the Grid goes down), TL3 sensors.
Zhodani Lift Infantry Squad
Fire Team 1 Squad Ldr w/rifle Grenadier w/rifle and GL (Lt.AP:1/AT:0) TL3 Gunner w/PGMP-14 (EWS Med.AP:2/AT:2(L)) TL3 2 x Rifleman 1 x Zho. Medibot
Fire Team 2 Fireteam Ldr w/rifle Grenadier w/rifle and GL (Lt.AP:1/AT:0) TL3 Gunner w/rifle and F&F ATGW (Hvy.AP:4/AT:4(H)) TL3 - so negates ERA, Performs Deck Attack, -1 to APD Asst w/rifle
Carried in Diziyanatl Grav IFV w/2-person crew.
Zhodani Lift Infantry Platoon
-PHQ Plt Cdr w/pistol Plt NCO w/rifle 1 x Zho. Medium Warbot Carried in command sled w/3-person crew
-Point Defence Team One Point Defence Sled w/3-person crew.
-3 x Zhodani Lift Infantry Squads as above.
Zhodani TLI-960 Diziyanatl Grav APC TL: 3 Class: M Type: G3 Main Gun: Advanced light Autocannon (TL3 Med.AP:4/AT:1(L)) ATGM launcher (Hvy.AP:4/AT:4(H)) TL3 - so negates ERA, Performs Deck Attack, -1 to APD MGs: 3D Front Armour: (TL3) 3D10 Side Armour: (TL3) 2D10 Rear Armour: (TL3) 2D8 Deck Armour: (TL3) 1D6 Crew: 2+9 Attributes/Notes: TL3 Armour and advanced sensors; Countermeasures; TL3 Stealth, Life Saver.
TLI-960/2 Command APC as above but no ATGM.
TLI-960/4 Point Defence Sled TL: 3 Class: M Type: G3 Main Gun: Light Energy Cannon (TL3 Med.AP:4/AT:3(L)) MGs: 3D Front Armour: (TL3) 3D10 Side Armour: (TL3) 2D10 Rear Armour: (TL3) 2D8 Deck Armour: (TL3) 1D6 Crew: 3 Attributes/Notes: TL3 Armour and advanced sensors; Countermeasures; TL3 Stealth, Life Saver, TL3 APD, Local C-RAM system.
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Post subject: Re: Traveller organisations Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:05 pm |
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Looking to create a small unit in Tomorrow's War, I drew inspiration from Classic Traveller Adventure 7 -Broadsword. The ship carries a 28-troop mercenary contingent along with a pair of modular cutters and an air raft and ATV for the ground force.
The Vargr require special rules. Treat the Vargr squad (Third Squad) as an Irregular Unit. Vargr attributes are Augmented Senses (see exception) and Natural Weapons. Generally speaking, a Vargr unit has higher morale but lower confidence than a human unit. Vargr units use the Morale of the Leader for all Morale Checks. If the Leader dies the next-highest leader assumes command. If there are multiple leaders of the same rank the unit takes on the Animosity Attribute, though Vargrs will only snipe amongst themselves. Vargr have Augmented Senses except for at night where the Night Fighting rules (TW p. 80) apply unless using night vision equipment. Twice per game, a Vargr may use Special Rapid Movement which is 2x the usual Rapid Movement distance. Once both Special Rapid Moves have been used, the unit can only use Tactical Movement (no more Rapid Movement allowed) for the remainder of the game.
Using the data and personnel presented in the adventure, the unit in Tomorrow's War terms could looks like this:
Basic Force Attributes Initiative Level: D8 Confidence Level: High Supply Level: Normal Body Armor: Combat Armor (TL2/2D) Fusion Gunners wear TL2 Standard Power Armor (3D) Troop Quality/Morale: D10 Overall TL: 2 On Grid: Normally, No. Attributes: Medic, Old School (Vargr use special rule; see Third Squad)
Broadsword Mercenary Contingent Command Element Troop Commander w/Auto Pistols (Gauss Rifle Available) (Leader +2) Leading Sergeant w/ Gauss Rifle Runner (Vargr) w/Gauss Rifle
First Squad Squad Leader w/Gauss Rifle Fire Team Leader w/Gauss Rifle 3x Trooper w/Gauss Rifle ATV Driver w/Auto Pistol Medic (Unarmed) Fusion Gunner w/FGMP-14 (TL3, Hvy. AP: 4/AT:4 (H)
Second Squad Squad Leader w/Gauss Rifle (Leader +1) Fire Team Leader w/Gauss Rifle (Leader +1) 3x Trooper w/Gauss Rifle ATV Driver w/Auto Pistol Medic (Unarmed) Fusion Gunner w/FGMP-14 (TL3, Hvy. AP: 4/AT:4 (H)
Third Squad (Vargr) Squad Leader w/Gauss Rifle (Leader +2) Fire Team Leader w/Gauss Rifle 3x Trooper w/Gauss Rifle Demolitions Specialist (Carries Breaching Charges, Sticky Bombs, Satchel Charges/Limpet Mines) Medic (Unarmed) Fusion Gunner w/FGMP-14 (TL3, Hvy. AP: 4/AT:4 (H)
Available Assets [Asset/Operational Momentum Points Expended] ATV/4 Man-Portable Tac Missiles/2 (Different versions available: Anti-Air – treat as Light AD Environment; Anti-Armor – treat as TL2 ATGM; Anti-Personnel – TL 2 ABW Lt AP:2; each soldier can carry a single round; can be fired in lieu of regular weapon) Modular Cutter in Interface Strike Mode/12 Modular Cutter with Assault Boat Module/10 Modular Cutter with ATV Module/10 Modular Cutter with Weapons Module/8
Vehicles/Landers ATV TL:2, Wheeled Armament: Gatling Laser (TL 1 EWS, Lt. AP: 2/AT:1 (L) Front/Side/Rear/Deck Armor: each 3D8 Crew: 1+15 Attributes: TL2 Armor, Amphibious Note: The ATV does not carry a dedicated gunner; gunner must come from carried passengers
Air Raft TL 2, AGV (but treat as DTV for movement) Armament: Light MG (TL2 ABW, Lt AP: 2) Armor: Soft-Skinned 1D6 Crew: 1+3 Attributes: Open-topped
Modular Cutter As Interface Strike (6x Medium PGM) As Dropship - Combat Modules Carried: - ATV Module (1xATV) - Assault Boat Module (16x troops in 2x sections; upon landing power spades scoop out entrenchments and troops drop through bottom doors; troops in entrenchments are in Improved Cover (+2D)) Other Combat Modules Available: Weapons Module (Triple Laser Turret, TL2 EWS, Hvy AP: 4/AT:2(H); can only fire when Cutter is grounded)
Sources Used: Adventure 7 Broadsword (Classic Traveller), Alien Module 3 Vargr (Classic Traveller), Mongoose Traveller Pocket Rulebook, Mongoose Traveller Supplement 4: Central Supply Catalogue
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Post subject: Re: Traveller organisations Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:25 pm |
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jakec wrote: Zhodani Lift Infantry Sources: JTAS No.11 p.29-31, TNE/Striker-II.
Basic Force Attributes
Initiative Level: D8 (D10 if Consular Guard)
Confidence Level: Confident
Supply Level: Normal
Body Armour: 2D (TL3) (TL3 Power Armour 3D if in Grav Tank, Mech Inf and Lift Cav Regt)
Troop Quality/Morale: D8-D10/D10
Overall TL: 3 On Grid: Normally, Yes.
Attributes: Officers are Psionic (treat as like Old School if the Grid goes down).
Zhodani Lift Infantry Squad
Fire Team 1 Squad Ldr w/rifle Grenadier w/rifle and GL (Lt.AP:1/AT:0) TL3 Gunner w/PGMP-14 (EWS Med.AP:2/AT:2) TL3 2 x Rifleman 1 x Zho. Medibot
Fire Team 2 Fireteam Ldr w/rifle Grenadier w/rifle and GL (Lt.AP:1/AT:0) TL3 Gunner w/F&F ATGW (Hvy.AP:2/AT:4(H)) TL3 - so negates ERA, Performs Deck Attack, -1 to APD Asst w/rifle
Carried in Dravar Grav IFV w/2-person crew.
Zhodani Lift Infantry Platoon
-PHQ Plt Cdr w/pistol Plt NCO w/rifle 1 x Zho. Medium Warbot Carried in command sled w/3-person crew
-Point Defence Team One Point Defence Sled w/3-person crew.
-3 x Zhodani Lift Infantry Squads as above. the dravar? I didn't see that in any listed sources..... anyway Adventure 7 would be a good campaign.
_________________ "The soldier knows little of philosophers but in him and in his deeds life expresses itself more profoundly than any book can" - Ernst Junger
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Post subject: Re: Traveller organisations Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:30 am |
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Rockymountainnavy wrote: Looking to create a small unit in Tomorrow's War, I drew inspiration from Classic Traveller Adventure 7 -Broadsword. Nice, I was just doing the same thing! I think the scenarios will make for some good TW games. Just one thing, remember the mercs' gauss rifles can fire RAM grenades. I'm thinking of classifying them as Lt. AP:1/AT:1).
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Post subject: Re: Traveller organisations Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:45 am |
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I originally made the design decision to ignore the 4cm RAM GL but your comments have (in a friendly way) made me reconsider.
Some of the color commentary from Central Supply Catalogue (CSC p. 81) is needed to understand a few of my (new) design decisions:
"Rifle, Gauss 4mm...The round itself consists of a dense armour piercing core...excellent stopping power and good armour penetration...A single-shot RAM grenade launcher is fitted...takes two full combat rounds to load a new grenade...either the rifle or the grenade launcher may be fired in a given round...."
Comparative damage in Traveller terms is 4d6 AP for the Gauss Rifle and 6d6 for a 40mm grenade (CSC p. 81/p. 109).
With all that in mind, I propose:
Gauss Rifle w/4cm RAM GL, TL2 (Lt. AP:0*/AT:1(L) *Note: Armor Piercing - When used in Infantry Combat target reduced by 1D of armor/cover; Grenade Launcher can be used as Support Weapon (Lt. AP:1) in lieu of Gauss Rifle in ONE Round of Fire or Close Assault per turn (no armor piercing bonus)
The Lt. AP:0 looks funny but this is to avoid making the Gauss Rifle a super weapon. With Lt. AP:0 each figure has a Firepower of 1D when firing the Gauss Rifle; whereas if you call it Lt. AP:1 each figure would get 2D Firepower (Number of Figures + Special Weapon Dice - see Firepower Table on P. 62 of Tomorrow's War). Also, by making it Lt. AP:1 (representing the 4cm GL) you get the advantages of a Support Weapon - making it worth 2D FP in combat (TW p. 60-61) - but not so much that it counts as an Advanced Support Weapon (TW p. 74-76).
Thoughts?
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Post subject: Re: Traveller organisations Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:42 am |
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1. Dravar was just a name we made up that sounded kewl. GT Alien Races 1 calls them TLI-960 Diziyanatl (the colour text says they are named for a famous infantry commander of the Second Frontier War). As far as I'm aware, that is the only canon name - JTAS and Striker-II just call them Zhodani Grav APC (which struck me as a bit boring).
2. Traveller orgs can rapidly get out-of-hand in TW firepower terms if you give everyone a shoot-thru grenade launcher. I'm inclined to give one man a fireteam a GL AP:1 rather than everyone - even if the Traveller colour text suggests all have them. I can't imagine a fireteam IRL humping around all the ammunition needed for multiple 40mm grenade launchers. And, if they only have a handful of grenades each, then I figure they probably don't deserve to be rated as providing bonus die in combat. But, each to his own! (even worse is a Marine fireteam with every man carrying an FGMP-14. If you rate it AP:3 then you're looking at 16 dice firepower - far exceeding the cap!)
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Post subject: Re: Traveller organisations Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:18 am |
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Rockymountainnavy wrote: Gauss Rifle w/4cm RAM GL, TL2 (Lt. AP:0*/AT:1(L) *Note: Armor Piercing - When used in Infantry Combat target reduced by 1D of armor/cover; Grenade Launcher can be used as Support Weapon (Lt. AP:1) in lieu of Gauss Rifle in ONE Round of Fire or Close Assault per turn (no armor piercing bonus) That sounds okay at first glance. I'll have to try it on a table and see how it works out. jakec wrote: Traveller orgs can rapidly get out-of-hand in TW firepower terms if you give everyone a shoot-thru grenade launcher. That's true, but in the strictly limited sense of the Adventure 7: Broadsword scenarios, equipping the merc company with these will work out okay (I hope). They will be severely outnumbered in all of the scenarios, first by irregulars (whom they will have to identify before firing on), then by the Tanoose Freedom League, and then the Gram Mechanised Battalion. And after that ... jakec wrote: (even worse is a Marine fireteam with every man carrying an FGMP-14. If you rate it AP:3 then you're looking at 16 dice firepower - far exceeding the cap!) The Zhodani Commandos will be pretty formidable, but I expect they will be split up into pairs to maximise the effect of their fire power.
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Post subject: Re: Traveller organisations Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:00 am |
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great stuff guys... couple of questions though
1. Teleporter Commandos? 2. Psionic Scramblers? 3. Psionic Recon?
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Post subject: Re: Traveller organisations Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:58 am |
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shadowcat wrote: great stuff guys... couple of questions though
1. Teleporter Commandos? 2. Psionic Scramblers? 3. Psionic Recon? Transplant the striker rules...shouldn't be a hard issue
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Post subject: Re: Traveller organisations Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:36 pm |
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I would use original Striker, although I have both, I hate the newer version
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Post subject: Re: Traveller organisations Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:06 pm |
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The problem I see with the massive firepower per fireteam (or even binom) is the interaction effect with the TW defence rules. Lets say I have an Imperial Marine binom with FGMP-14s. Rated as AP:3. That means I roll 8 firepower dice for my binom. If I'm facing Zhodani commandos in Battle Dress also broken up into binoms then they only roll 5 defence dice (all other things being equal). And the reverse will be true.
I just don't think binoms are any good for defence when attackers are rolling 8+ firepower dice. It becomes a completely uneven contest and unbalances the game.
Whereas, if you say a fireteam has three regular riflemen (one firepower dice each) and then one support gunner with FGMP, they roll 7 dice firepower and 7 dice defence (all else being equal). Much better game.
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Post subject: Re: Traveller organisations Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:21 pm |
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or 3 riflemen with Gauss Rifles, a FGMP gunner and either a gauss saw or a missile launcher one thing I never agreed with in orignal striker was that plasma and fusion guns had unlimited shots. then again in Old Striker a high tech version of the Mk.19 GL outranged the FGMP and did consistent damage at all ranges, whereas the F and P series weapons lose damage as the range grows. TL-14 Auto RAM GL loaded with HEAP rounds could even penetrate a basic starship hull at max range, and thats not even counting the IR Followup rules.
TL-14 Auto RAM GL "Can Opener" ROF: 2 Max Range 180, pen of 34: its designed for BD troops, due to the weight of the 100 round backpack magazine feed.
that figure is probably a little off, I dont have my notes or books directly handy
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Post subject: Re: Traveller organisations Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:50 am |
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Sorry if I wasn't clear. I meant treating three of the guys in an Imperial Marine fireteam armed with FGMPs as ordinary riflemen (one dice each), and one guy as a support gunner.
TW doesn't differentiate between small arms, only support weapons. This is a fundamental difference from Striker. An ACR, a carbine and a gauss rifle are the same in the hands of a grunt in TW, whereas they are distinctly different in Striker. So I'm suggesting treating most of the grunts with FGMPs as using them the same as any other rifle in the TW game and only adding a dice of firepower (obviously tech level differences may come into play to add a dice here and there depending on your adversary).
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