Been considering working on Burma - New Guinea Force on Force campaign(s), and was wondering what people's opinions on using FOF in WW2.

Should rifles only contribute a single dice per two rifles (round up?).

US Squad would be divided into an Assault squad, SL, 2 scouts (Rifles or SMG) and 4-5 Rifles AND a Support squad BAR and three rifles.

Assault Squad 3 DICE + 2 SMG dice
Support Squad 2 DICE + 1 dice for BAR (+1 dice for ammo bearer?)

Or half number of men for non-optimum range and full for optimum range?

Or reduce optimum range to half TQ?

I think if each man adds a dice the effect of a MG42 (+3) would be reduced.

Thoughts?

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For me I leave it as one FP die per rifle.... 2 per SMG with in OR...I give the MG42 (belt fed) Like the M1919 2 FP die while leaving the BAR at 1 FP......Mikey

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Hi,

We are using the following stats:

1 die for Rifle, Kar or M1 Carbine or M1 Garand (even if the US forces could get +1FP for outgun)

BAR (Lt. AP:1/AT:0/Team:+1) The team bonus could be debatable
0,30”LMG (Lt. AP:2/AT:0/Team:+2) this is the small tripod or bipod version, not the big Tripod one used as MMG
BREN LMG (Lt. AP:1/AT:0/Team:+1)
Vickers MMG (Md. AP:2/AT:0/Team:+2)

Hope this was of some use

Faustnik

And what about MG34/42?
What about if yuo use like squad weapons or with tripod?

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Coriolis effect
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Damn officers
What target? We were just doing a functional check. Was that live ammo?

Rifle 1D

BAR AP+1 - No Team bonus due to small magazine size LIGHT

Bren AP+1 - +1 Team bonus LIGHT
MG38 Non-belt AP+2 +1 Team Bonus LIGHT
MG42 Non-belt AP+2 +1 Team Bonus HMM?

Browning 0.3 Tripod AP+2 +2 Team Bonus MEDIUM

MG42 Bipod AP+2 +2 Team Bonus MEDIUM or LIGHT

MG42 Tripod AP+3 +2 Team Bonus HEAVY
Vickers/Browning AP+3 +2 Team Bonus HEAVY

0.5 Browning AP+4 +2 Team Bonus HEAVY

Or too complex?

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The basic question was about PTO and not ETO, so no german stuff.

A+

Faustnik

And you miss the AT factor on some of those weapons, as in PTO some of them could still be useful

Now what about Japanese weapons? - as on that I have few knowledge...

Faustnik

Ah,ok,I don't mind that is about PTO.
Japanese was using Type 96 LMG,that it's a derivative of Czech ZB vz96,like Bren.Their MMG/HMG was the Type 92,I think comparable to M1919A4.

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When firing a shell from North to South over 7 miles, the effect that causes the shell to miss the aimpoint is called:
Coriolis effect
Damn privates
Damn officers
What target? We were just doing a functional check. Was that live ammo?

Yes, I think the 96 and 99 would be same as the Bren. The 11 would probably be same as the BAR.

I think the HMG was more like a 1914 Hotchkiss, and would therefore be prone to jamming and very dirt sensitive, and low rate of fire due to the 30-round clips.

I think you need to compare to the ETO weapons as it would need to cover all theatres.

So,

Type 11 LMG - AP1 - No Wpn Team bonus LIGHT
Type 96/99 LMG - AP1 - +1 Wpn Team bonus LIGHT
Type 92 MMG/HMG - AP2 +1 Wpn Team bonus HVY

"Knee" Mortar is just an AP1

AT?

Maybe a AT1 on some of the higher ROF weapons?


A

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JDAM2000

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type 1 M1941 47mm ATG should be something like a AT 2-3
The type 99 Magnetic anti tank mine should be perhaps a AT2 against side and top Armour or an AT1 against front armour.
The Type 2 Rifle grenade Luancher firing the 30mm heat round is a AT1 the 40mm heat round is a AT2.
The Bar mine was used by throwing it under the tracks so im not sure we need give it a AT value but it did have 6 pounds of explosive so I would treat it as a satchel charge if thrown on the deck of a tank.....Mikey

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And don't forget the guy sitting in a hole with a 500lbs bomb and a hammer?

What about unit stats?

US/British/Indian/Gurkha/Australian INI8 TQ8 MOR10
Japanese INI6 TQ8 MOR12

Or MOR10 for the Japanese, and ignore Morale Checks if Assaulting.

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In John Hills' excellent memoir he goes through the pro's and con's of Japanese on the defensive,

Pro's
Extremely stubborn and inevitably fights to last man and last round
Brave, well-trained and well-disciplined
Digs well, good camo
Survives on limited food supplies
Makes good use of his MGs and Grenade dischargers
Light arty which can be moved close to front

Con's
Inferior equipment and weapons, though still good quality
Poor tactical use of arty
Limited experience with combined arms (tanks, infantry and air)
Poor tanks
Poor marksmanship
Tends to repeat same tactics even after proved to be unsuccessful
As susceptible to tropical disease as the Europeans.

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Would you consider giving the M1 Garand and carbine the suppression feature to simulate the better suppressive nature of these weapons versus their bolt action counterparts???

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I like Prontos idea of suppression for US semi autos.

Also consider German mg 34/42 as intimidating and see how much that makes a difference.

7 or 3 M-1 would be equivalent to a MG-42?

I would rather just allow a reroll of a failed dice or something.

As far as I have read the US's BAR resulted in poor suppression capability. You have to have all the men in your squad bringing fire to bear in a concerted manner. The downside is the US study which indicated most men did not take part in an action and the German doctrine to give the MG to the most aggressive man. The British section supported the BREN and men died keeping it going as it was seen as the core of the sections effect.

I would like to see some difference between, these are just ideas

MG-42 + Bolt-action + (SMG) - 3Dice Weapon Team + Rifle Team - Ammo carriers
BREN + Bolt-action + (SMG) - 2Dice Weapon Team + Rifle Team - Need Rifle Team close to the BREN
BAR + SLR + (SMG) - 1Dice Weapon Team - SLR Weapons Team get +1Dice/Reroll lowest dice?

Give a bit of a flavour difference in play.

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