Hello,

We are trying to play the Black Dust scenario and have a few questions. In our first try Delta were eliminated by fire from the five Al Queda units in turn 2.

1. Do the trees block line of sight?

2. Can Al Queda in buildings be hidden from the start?

3. Can Delta force move to the edge of the ruined village and remain hidden?

Thanks
Mick

We played the scenario twice and both times the Taliban won quite easily.
Mick

1) On Page 17 of the OEF book it states that all woods in Green Zone and similar wooded areas are classified as Average. So yes, the woods will block line of sight past 3 inches of their edge. (Page 63 FOF Rulebook)

2) I would say no as there is no instruction in the set up that they are hidden. The AQ also are not classified as stealthy so they wouldn't have the opportunity to go hidden by being out of LOS and passing a Q check.

3) Once again the set up instructions dont classify Delta as Stealthy so I would say no. However they are using suppressed weapons which brings me to page 43 of the FOF rulebook. It states that units that use suppressed weapons are normally Stealthy. So yes the Delta are Stealthy and yes they can hide.

My suggestion would be that Delta is a patrol and not a raid. Set up in positions that can see everything, outside of optimum range, and thump with airpower then assault through the survivors if the opportunity presents itself. Use just the suppressed weapons to fire with.

IMO this is a brains over brawn scenario.

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Thank-you for your help. We will try again sometime with your advice.
Mick

You are welcome. I hope that the advice helps.

Please do an AAR when you play again. This does not strike me as an easy scenario to win as Delta but as I said if you use Deltas strengths, (D12, stealthy, suppressed weapons), and use the one attribute that Delta posses that most dont know about. Use your brains. I think that if you look at this like a chess match, three or four moves ahead you should do well. Also look at burst radius of ordinance. The right ordinance for the right target.

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I was the other player in this game

For the air delivered ordanance we simply used the stats in the scenario and rolled the number of D8 indicated

Was this wrong ?

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You should have followed the rules for conducting an airstrike in the main rules on page 100.
These sections show you how to request and conduct airstrikes.
On page 104 of the main rule book you will find the generic blast radius for the ordinance used in CAS.......Mikey

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RE Calling Air Support
– I think we did this right but EF does not match FoF in a few details.

We read the main rulebook pages 100-106. Based on the table on page 102, the “no AD” gives a good strike on 4+. Delta are quality TQ12 and have scenario +3 modifiers therefore get a strike on 3+ on D12. (1 and 2 are automatic fails)

We also read the scenario description on page 39 (EF). This specifies the AP&AT values for the available air support and they are different to page 104 (FoF). No blast radii are specified for these weapon values.

Mick

The AP and AT factors may indeed be different for that specific scenario but you will find the Radius or area that these factors affect units on page 104 of the main FOF rule book...500 LB JDAM has a 8 inch radius. A 1000 LB Jadam has a 10 inch radius....Mikey

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I am probably being very very slow but what does it mean when you say a weapon has a certain radius???

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Hey Dave
when an aircraft drops a 1000 LB Joint direct attack munition lets say it's stats are AP 8 AT4 that size bomb (1000 LB JDAM) has a 10 inch radius .
It means all units within 10 inches of the impact point suffer a 8 die attack (Infantry) or 4 Die attack (AFV) Including any friendly units. ........Mikey

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Ah

So when a B2/B52 mission is called in carrying 4 x 500 pound JDAMs 2 x 1000 pound JDAMs do these all get dropped in the same spot on the same turn, or does the plane stay overhead and be able to drop one per turn for the next 6 turns or do you just pick one of its weapons to be used and it then leaves?

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Also in terms of units hit do they just have to have one figure in the blast zone ? If it was just one guy are any excess hits lost or are they passed on to the rest of the unit?

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when we think of CAS at our level of play a B52 strike would kill the entire playing area.
So lets think in terms of say one fighter bomber droping one bomb in a precision strike...But with the added danger of such a small playing area of Blue on Blue ..your Jtac or CCT will have the smarts to match the right ordinance to the right target.....
There will be occasions when you have CAS availible but you or the target are to close in that case you can Use the "Show of Force " rules in the Close air support section of the main rules.
In order for the unit to be considered in the blast radius half or more of the unit should be with in the danger area ...IE in a 4 man unit 2 or more if a 3 man unit 1 or more etc you see what I mean?.....Mikey

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My question about this scenario...
Which table edge is Al Queda beating feat toward? I would assume south/southeast into pakistan...