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 Post subject: Reaction fire of Initiative Units that fired on their turn?
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:44 pm 

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An Initiative Unit fired during it's turn. It has been fired at by a Non-initiative Unit and passes TQ check to react. Does the Initiative Unit suffer a -1D firepower for having fired in it's turn?

PS: If the Initiative Unit had failed it's TQ check, does it even get to return fire against the Non-initiative Unit?

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 Post subject: Re: Reaction fire of Initiative Units that fired on their tu
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 12:22 am 
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ekessler507 wrote:
An Initiative Unit fired during it's turn. It has been fired at by a Non-initiative Unit and passes TQ check to react. Does the Initiative Unit suffer a -1D firepower for having fired in it's turn?


Yes. Also an additional -1 for each shot it takes in that turn.

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PS: If the Initiative Unit had failed it's TQ check, does it even get to return fire against the Non-initiative Unit?



This is an "it depends question and answer"

Assuming that the Initiative unit has fire power dice remaining. It may fire IF it survives the fire and does not suffer a morale check result that would cause it to not be in a position to return fire.




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You are welcome.

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 Post subject: Re: Reaction fire of Initiative Units that fired on their tu
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:02 pm 
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As the initiative unit is firing twice in a turn, I assume that it not irregular. I may have missed in the rules where it would require to pass a TQ test to react. Do you mean win a reaction roll?


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 Post subject: Re: Reaction fire of Initiative Units that fired on their tu
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 7:18 am 
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As Mike says above, a REGULAR initiative unit can always return fire against units who fire directly at it as long as they have Firepower Dice remaining (they lose a die of FP for each time they fire after the first). The Reaction Test only determines if they fire first or second in the Round of Fire.

IRREGULAR units, on the other hand, can only fire a single time in a turn. If they're fired at after they've already fired as part of a previous Reaction or as an Activation, they do not get to return fire in a Round of Fire.

Hope this clears things up! ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Reaction fire of Initiative Units that fired on their tu
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 3:58 am 
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but if the regular or irregular failed the raction test then after it fires this round of fire it cannot make any further reaction s this turn correct?


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 Post subject: Re: Reaction fire of Initiative Units that fired on their tu
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 9:56 am 
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First you must clearly seperate Reg and ireg they are different ...
A Reg Unit with Initiative must first be activated and then declare its action, there is no reaction roll as this unit is acting not reacting....if while conducting its action and enemy unit reacts to it ...then there is a TQ roll to see who does what first...If the reg IU unit fails this roll it just means that the NIU may fire at it first.
then the Reg unit checks for casualties applies all morale effects. if it can it will return fire or continue to move to its declared end state ..it will apply a -1 to its firepower every engagement after the first and a -1 inch penalty to it total movement for every reaction after the first.
So it will continue to return fire or move toward its end state untill it runs out of FP or movement or suffers a negative modifier to its Morale that stops it or the owning player stops it ..
Irregular units may only fire or move once per turn

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 Post subject: Re: Reaction fire of Initiative Units that fired on their tu
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 2:06 am 
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Ok here are three simple situations hopefully requiring Y?N answeres...

1. IU rolling a TQ test vs a NIU reacting with fire:
1a IU fails (rolls under 4) so will it have to either takes its declared action last (say its a move) or return fire then takes its declared action (with reduced effect -1FP and 1") Y/N
1b IU wins its TQ roll vs the NIU reaction so will have to either takes its declared action first (say its a move) or choose to fire first at the reacting unit Y/N

2. in 1athe IU failed oiits TQ roll - does this mean that the unit will not be able to take any reactions in the end phase when any NUIs that have not reacted can act Y/N

3. Does any previuous fire effect FP available to any IU that reacts in the end phase against acting NIUs? Y/N


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 Post subject: Re: Reaction fire of Initiative Units that fired on their tu
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 12:12 pm 
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Q1 is not a yes or no answer unless there has already been a round of fire then unit 1a fires at full FP.
1b yes
2 is also not strictly a yes or no answer if a IU unit is activated it does not matter if it failed a TQ roll in a round of fire as any activated unit may only react if it has FP or movement left to a enemy units in their end phase.
3 Yes of course see above...any unit that activates or conducts a reaction at any point in the turn will not be eligible to take and end of phase action at all. see pg 65 to 71 main rules.

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