Hey,

I've got a question regarding a Unit Splitting Fire.

This actually came up in a TW game, but I suspect the issue would be the same in FoF.

A player had a single Regular D8 Fireteam(A) positioned behind a friendly fireteam(B)..however, out of the 5-man fireteam(A) there were 3 guys on the ground (directly behind their friendlies(B)) and 2 guys up on a short tower (1 with a bazooka).

An opponents fireteam(C) moved in front of the previously mentioned fireteams (A and B), B goes through a round of fire with C, both units take casualties/pass morale, etc...the question arose about the 2 soldiers from fireteam(A) that were on the tower...i.e. could fireteam A split fire and fire the bazooka and rifle at Fireteam C, even though the majority of Fireteam A's LOF was blocked by Fireteam B?

In other words, in order for a Fireteam to "legally" split fire, does the ENTIRE fireteam have to be able to trace LOF to the target? Also, in order to split fire, does there have to be at least 2 legitimate targets(based on TQ) available (within LOS/LOF) for the split fire to proceed?

I guess the issue was that since the bazooka is a support weapon, can it engage a target separately, even though the other members of the team had no legal target to fire at? NOTE that we didn't categorize the Bazooka and assistant as a weapons team, they were just fireteam members, and 1 happened to be carrying a bazooka.


Guys, I hope you can make sense of my rambling...if need be, I'll try to clarify if I can.

My ruling was we didn't allow them to fire simply because the majority of the fireteam had no LOF to the initial target to begin with....more than half that is. I reasoned that the fireteam should've "split" up into 2 separate groups. I'm second guessing that decision because of the nature of the bazooka being classed as a support weapon, and the rules address support weapons differently.

So, I think I need a clarification on this one.

Thanks!
Brian

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Brian

To have let them fire would have been gamey simply becouse they where firing thru a friendly unit which is not alowed ...how ever if they where seperated as you stated then i would say they are now 2 seperate units not split if on a higher level then LOS/LOF was perhaps not blocked then yes .
BUT it would not have been split fire .
Split fire works like this unit Zulu is a 4 man fire team (D8/D8) is in contact with 2 enemy units one is six inches away the other 12 inches he declares he will engage the unit six inches away with 2 of his riflemen and engage the unit 12 inches away with SAW and M203 spliting his fire ..to main tain the OR FP die the riflemen get 2 +1 and the SAW and M203 get 2 +2 against their respective targets.

if a four man team with 2 riflemen a 2 RPG gunners fire on a afv it is not considered split fire .

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Thanks for the reply!

So...in our situation, since LOF was blocked for the majority of the Fireteam, nobody could fire? Even though the 2 guys on the tower with LOF had a rocket launcher/bazooka/rpg support weapon?

That's how we played it at least, I just want to make sure I'm following your example correctly...

Thanks again for the help!

I think it's getting more clear now...

Brian

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Double check. What he wrote. He said the unit should have been considered split so the bazooka and loader were a sperate team and in an elevated position and thus could fire. Brings up a good point tho. If they are a team on their own with a support weapon, could they gain the weapon team bonus?

I get that, but for our purposes, they weren't a separate group.

I don't think it's valid to let a fireteam split it's fire, if only 2 out of 5 can trace LOF to a target? In that case, I think you have to declare that they're a separate team, as Mikey stated. In his example and in the book the entire fireteam has LOF/LOS to the target(s).

I think the Support Weapon Team bonus is allocated based on the military you are representing. If you're using maybe conscripts, then no, they probably wouldn't get the bonus, in the case of the ANG(like what you were running), they'd probably get the support weapon team bonus, but they need to be a separate team unto themselves.

I hope that clears up the nature of my question....

Just my thoughts on it.

Brian

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Yup they should have been declared as separate from git go tho like Sean said since they were physically separate and out of cohesion they would be two separate teams by default I think.
I buy the argument that they wouldn't get the gun team bonus tho. Just threw that out there

Since they were out of cohesion, they would've been forced to move to a position of cohesion...or the other group would have to move into cohesion, basically there first priority is to get in current position.


I still need clarification on the LOS/LOF issue that I mentioned earlier...

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or, simply declare a split unit but yea under normal circumstances somebody would have to move.

Brian if half or more of the teams LOS /LOF was blocked by a friendly unit that team could not fire ....Mikey
BTW if you declare you are spliting a unit then the coheasion rule does not apply....

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I think that answered my initial split fire question...thanks Mikey!


Yes, and according to WarbossJim, they should've been declared as split team, so that would've cleared up the whole matter....


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Brian

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"If you're not cheatin your not tryin"
"If you don't know you're cheatin you didn't read the rule book enough!"

I actually just considered it an oversight on our part! Basically, an "oops" moment...

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