Here’s what I am planning on doing for my WoTC Star Wars minis to use them in Tomorrow’s War.

Troop Quality (p. 6) – By default, everyone is trained, moderately experienced troops TQ8, Morale 8. Confident. Ewoks are lowered to TQ6 for being Green. Stormtroopers and generic leaders get Morale 10 for being Veterans. Name characters get TQ10, Morale 12 as elite troops. And the superstars are TQ12, Morale 12 elite operators – Darth Vader, Luke, Yoda. This should allow for some cinematic effect.

Armour – Stromtroopers would be hard (+2), Wookies light for a tough hide (+1), and I’m thinking of giving lightsabers a +1 or +2 depending upon mastery. Most of the rebels only have helmets and that shouldn’t count as armour.

Weapons – Doing WYSIWYG. For small arms there are pistols, blasters (larger pistols e.g. Hans Solo) and carbines both which could be SMGs, and rifles. There are some heavier guns which could be SAWs (AP1), a HMG (AP4, AT1 Light) and a Missile Assault Weapon (AP3, AT4 Heavy). Lightsabers would be an extra die in close combat.

Attributes – Ewoks = elusive, some Tuskin and Jawa are mounted, bounty hunters should be snipers so that they can pick their prey. Contrary to popular belief, stormtroopers should not be crappy shots. And the battle droids would be bots.

Grid – doesn’t seem to apply. Maybe the Force?

Anyway, that’s all I have for now. Still have to do the vehicles and FoW cards (probably will not use those provided).

Any comments or feedback would be appreciated. Doing the game next Thirsday for a friend who is a Star Wars fanatic.
Thanks
Mike

Great idea!
Lightsabers are also energy weapons, so should ignore armor?

Not sure how to do force powers. Perhaps each super star has a specific "force power". bolts of sith lighting. convincing troops to turn on one another.... Maybe get some inspriation from the video games..

What about droids? Would they be dependents, there to do a specific job? Such as getting to the Endor bunker to open it? Have to spend a full turn at the panel

What about wookies taking control of an ATST?

Maybe the Force could cause the drawing of Fog of War cards?

Droids would be robotic drones. There are rules in the new Tomorrow's War for that.

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About storm troopers, they should actually be poor shots, like d6 poor. In all mediums, whether they be books, comics, or the movies it is said (or shown) that storm troopers were inferior marksmen when compared to the rebels so I would have storm troopers d6 regulars and the rebels d8 irregulars.

I also agree 100% with a "the force" card deck with random powers you can draw in a similar fashion to calling in air support.

Also many rebels wore blast vests, which would be +1 defense dice in my opinion

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Totally agree that stromtroopers shoudb be TQ D6. If the Emperor had fired that smal arms instructor, the Empire would still be ruling the known universe!!

On the stormtroopers accuracy debate, check out this link:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/A ... hipAcademy

Mike

Nice reference. I would say allow for something where the Stormtrooper becomes a better shot if they are reduced in numbers.. the "Stormtrooper Effect". I mean, Obi-wan even points out how the damage to the Sand Crawler is too precise, so it must be Stormtroopers.

Doesnt matter for me.. I am playing in the Clone Wars anyway. Clones are vastly superior. The Setting tends to lend itself well for that period anyway. Droids are alot like insurgents, and I own a ton of them.

I must say I did wonder how I was going to incorporate my long-running joke about the Rebel Alliance being Al-Qaeda in Space. Just throw a Turban on Yoda and its Osama.

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I'd be curious to hear about your game's results. I don't think the Stormtroopers were crappy shots. I think that their training called for them to put out a volume of fire that would suppress their opponent so they could close with them. Their armor was a part of this doctrine. Up close, they would eliminate any opposition.

Al-Qaeda in space? Nah, the Rebel Alliance was pretty popular on many planets not small pockets. It believed in Democracy and equality. Killing thousands of innocent civilians wasn't in their playbook, It also opposed tyranny. That's hardly similar to Al-Qaeda. In fact, it is the polar opposite. It would seem to me to be more like Spartacus's revolt or maybe the American Revolution.

Thanks,

John

To me it doesnt matter why storm troopers cant hit the target, whether it is poor hardware or reduced vision. Both of which are actually not true as the E-11 is a superior short range weapon when compared to what most rebels carry, an their helmets have advanced sensors that actually allow them to see better than they would otherwise.

Also clone troopers had inferior armor an more inaccurate firearms when compared to storm troopers. However, what the article says about them being clones of jango is why they are superior to storm troopers as humans are inferior in combat when compared to mandalorians.

Also , do you really think TV tropes is the best reference? why dont you ask a legitimate Star wars source, as the people on tv tropes are trying to justify things based on the rules, tech, and norms of our galaxy which just doesnt work with Scifi like star wars, the history channel tried a similar thing and failed. You have to ask actual star wars experts not movie tropes experts

But anyway, the rebels have been shown in the majority of sources to be better at range than imperials though the imperials have better training. Hence TQ d6 Regular and TQd8 irregular.

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I would say starting a terrorist organization fighting against the lawful government in the universe qualifies. They did make suicidal attacks on two military installations, one of which was packed full of civilians.

Lets not forget repeated attempts at assassinating the legitimate ruler of said galaxy. They might not of liked the turn their government took, but it went there legally. Rather than staying and fixing it, they took up arms.

Or maybe its just the Jedi that are al-Qaeda? Religious fanatics lead by an old recluse in a cave?

Rebel Alliance = Terrorists...

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I think that depends on your source. I have read that the Phase II armor the clones wear (Cartoon Series through Revenge of the Sith) was in most regards about the same as Stormtrooper armor. This seems to be the common attitude, from what I have read in a few tech books and the Role Playing Games.

Remember, the Mandalorians are a culture, not a species. Its the training that made them what they are. IMHO, Clones who are created from good stock, raised to fight, trained by some of the best, and equipped with the finest equipment will trump recruits from a variety of backgrounds, who have only been trained by adults, with what might be slightly better equipment.

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I think a better comparison would be the rebellions in Egypt and Libya where civilians take up arms against a tyrannical government. Also what suicidal attacks are you talking about? And jedi attacking imperial civilians?


Also no matter how democratic or legitimate a government started, numerous human (and in some cases alien) rights abuses justifies a change of power. At least in my opinion

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Ah, but you are forgetting the Clerk's Star Wars discussion

Randal: "The first Death Star was manned by the Imperial army. The only people on board were Storm troopers, Dignitaries, Imperialists."
Dante: "Basically."
Randal: "So when they blew it up, no problem. Evil's punished."
Dante: "And the second time around?"
Randal: "The second time around it wasn't even done beind built yet. It was still under construction."
Dante: "So?"
Randal: "So, a construction job of that magnitude would require a hell of lot more manpower than the Imperial army had to offer. I'll bet they brought independent contractors in on that thing. Plumbers, aluminum siders, roofers--"
Dante: "Not just Imperialists. Is that what you're getting at?"
Randal: "Exactly. In order to get it built quickly and quietly, they'd hire anybody that could do the job. You think the average Storm Trooper knows how to install a toilet main? All's they know is killing and white uniforms."
Dante: "Alright, so, they bring in independent contractors. Why are you so upset at it's destruction."
Randal: "All those innocent contractors brought in to do the job are killed, casualtios of a war they had nothing to do with. Alright, look, you a roofer. Some juicy government contract comes your way. You got a wife and kids, the two-story in suburbia. This is a government contract which means all sorts of benefits. Along come these left-wing militants who blast everything within a three-mile radius with their lasers. You didn't ask for that; you had no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living."

So yeah, they killed civilians on the 2nd deathstar, but the first one was a full on military installation...

I should point out, that most of what I post along these lines is said with a smile. Its a fictional universe, so one can take an 'extreme' view without having to actually believe or follow through with it. Much like how I prefer to play Germans in WW2 games.. but dont subscribe or affiliate myself with their ideals/actions.



They assaulted the first death star, a military target, and destroyed it with almost all hands lost. (I cant find a reference for crew compliment.. but it had to be in the Hundreds of Thousands.. maybe more) Your telling me everyone on board was a stormtrooper or gunner? That they were all even in uniform? How many civilian employees did the Empire maintain? Was every cook, every technician, every trash hauler in the military? The Rebels didnt give any of them a chance to evacuate. They didnt announce their intent to destroy the station, advising non-military personnel to escape.

Dont even get me started on the SECOND Death Star. I imagine 75%+ of the crew on board would of been civilian. Is a military target like a battleship being constructed by civilians before it is operational a legitimate target? Sure, it was later revealed that the primary weapons were operational, but they went into it expecting a mostly defenseless target. When it was revealed to still be defended, they tried to cut and run. Guess they were going to wait for it to be fully functional again and ram some fighters into it while hoping for the best.

The Jedi are just religious fanatics lead by Osama bin Yoda.. the only one that was active in attacking the empire was Kota. At least he tried to keep it limited to military targets, even if it was a TIE Construction facility (with the same civilian issues of any other factory).


The Empire was the lawful authority in the universe. You say tyranny.. I say security. They provided safety, security, and unity for the Universe. The senate was corrupt and inept, and the system failed as a result. If not for the Emperor it would of been anarchy and civil war.

The Roman Empire took over from the Roman Republic. Was that tyranny? Were the people oppressed? Pax Romana reigned for over 200 years because of the safety and security provided by an Empire and its army. Good thing Luke and Han were not around back then.

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I dunno Omar, we're on thin ice here...

Even with the senate being corrupt, the Emperor took advantage of that and MANUFACTURED the clone wars so that he could then step up "lawfully" in the ensuing chaos. Even throwing parts of the senate at Yoda! How would that go down in the US Senate?

With the Roman republic, at least the soldiers could change sides if they felt that the Leader was crappy enough. The clones/stormtroopers don't have that option (although Star Wars Battlefront 2 alludes to the clones feeling guilty that they have to kill the jedi..). Nor do the droids. And the Senate gets liquidated by the Emperor anyway in episdoe 4. That sure as heck wasn't legal.

To quote to trade fishy guy from Episode 1. "But mah wawd, iz dat..... LEGAL?"..... "I will make it legal" etc. etc.

Now THIS is a fun discussion.

Chris